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Topic Started: Jan 19 2017, 07:51 PM (906 Views)
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anyone else excited to see this? im hearing its shyamalans best movie since the sixth sense.

anyways, thoughts ?
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I'm not much into psychological horror, but this has got my attention. I think this is gonna be a great movie.
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I think it demonizes and misrepresents a mental illness but sure, looks cool /sarcasm
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Who takes movies seriously, aside from fanatics? It's fiction, not reality. I think people know the difference.
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Jan 19 2017, 08:11 PM
I think it demonizes and misrepresents a mental illness but sure, looks cool /sarcasm
The old me would've felt the same, but I've since learned not to care as much. It's just a movie.

That being said, it doesn't really interest me for some reason. I think it's because it seems over the top. But I'm willing to give it a try if it gets a relatively good score on rotten tomatoes. (I don't see movies in theaters unless they do.)
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Meh, if it's psychological, count me out. Boooooooring.
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Jan 19 2017, 08:31 PM
Who takes movies seriously, aside from fanatics? It's fiction, not reality. I think people know the difference.
pop culture does affect society's mentality as a whole, not just "fanatics". We've seen it happen with movies like Jaws. You can find a dozen articles on how that movie shaped the current hostile mentality towards great white sharks that's incredibly damaging. That's just one off the top of my head. 'it's just a movie' doesn't really fly

even if it wasn't perpetrating a dangerous mentality, I just prefer narratives that actually incorporate real facts and then use imagination from there, not twist the facts themselves.
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how do you know they are twisting facts?
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because you can tell from the trailer alone that it's going to be a blatant misrepresentation of a mental illness, dissociative identity disorder, in order to provide 'horror' for people so they can churn out money. in turn, people view this movie and get this mentality about people with DID that they're dangerous
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That's like judging a book by it's cover.
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Yeah, there are definitely some supernatural elements at play here too. An argument over it at this point would just be an assumption.
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well people with DID have commited murders before so its not its something that has never happened.

i dont see a problem with it personally. if you come out of a movie like this thinking holly s*** anyone with DID is going to try and kill me i think thats pretty dumb.

thats like watching cujo and never wanting to go near a dog again.
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it's not like this is the only horror movie that does this. it's a common trope of quite a few horror movies and this is only the latest one to do so. Psycho, Halloween, Friday the 13th, etc. There are various stereotypes of mental illness and horror movies love to use them and equate them with violence.

An article from the Canadian Mental Health association

http://ontario.cmha.ca/files/2012/07/mass_media.pdf
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Considerable research has concluded that the media are the public’s most significant source of
information about mental illness

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Researchers at George Mason University in Virginia conducted a study of 300 articles containing
references to mental illness that were taken from six different 1999 U.S. newspapers. Few of these
Mass Media and Mental Illness: A Literature Review 3 of 27
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stories presented positive images of people with mental illness or depicted people with mental illness as
productive. This study and others like it have led researchers to conclude that the public, based on what
they see in the news media, are likely to presume that people with mental illnesses are primarily burdens
to society and incapable of contributing in positive ways to their communities


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Yet in reality, people suffering from a mental illness who do not have a concurrent substance
abuse disorder are no more likely to commit a violent crime than anyone else (Steadman et al., 1998). In
fact, one study found that 95–97% of violent episodes in the United States are committed by people with
no mental illness


so I mean, say what you want, but media isn't in a vacuum. It affects the world and people's views.

but I know I'm just saying all of this for nothing so I won't bother continuing
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This reminds me of a horror game I played recently. The Park. Wrote an academic article on it and everything. A lot of other video game scholars online were complaining about its mistreatment of mental illness, but that wasn't the focus of my article at all. Despite it depicting depression and anxiety in a negative way (and me actually suffering from those illnesses), it never actually popped into my mind at all until I read those other articles. What really stuck with me was that the game wasn't nearly as good as it could have been. The same could be said for any form of entertainment unless it's actually meant to make a negative statement about mental illness. At the end of the day, it's just a form of entertainment. I might also watch a film that focuses on the life of a rapist, glorifying his rape fantasies, but that doesn't mean that I'll take some deeper meaning of "rape is good" away from that film. These things are meant to be analyzed and critiqued, yes, but creating a message that isn't really there isn't really approaching the issue in a meaningful fashion.

The general theme of Don't Breathe isn't that all suffering ex-military men have rape dungeons, but that movie certainly exploited the rape dungeon cliche. At the end of the day, it was still one of the best horror films of the year, and what sticks with me is its innovation and creepy atmosphere, not the fact that it implemented a rape dungeon.

To add to this, I can totally see your point Seruphim, and I do agree to a certain extent. I find films like Nymphomaniac and Antichrist to be problematic, but my reasoning for those is quite a bit different than a horror film that doesn't really attempt to make a point about mental illness--that just happens to be interpreted that way.
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Saw it with the wife yesterday and really enjoyed it. I love movies that make you think about different possibilities while also remaining suspenseful with the main story line.

Villain/Dennis/Hedwig/ETC was an awesome character and great actor.


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